Edgar Ramirez on ‘The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story’

From executive producer Ryan Murphy, the FX limited series The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story illustrates what happened when the cross-country path of destruction of spree-killer Andrew Cunanan (chillingly played by Darren Criss) landed on the steps of the 1997 South Beach residence of Gianni Versace (Edgar Ramirez), where the international fashion icon was murdered. Based on the book Vulgar Favors by Maureen Orth, the series examines how fame, wealth and failed ambition collided with homophobia and prejudice, which ultimately delayed law enforcement’s search for one of the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted.

While at the TCA Press Tour presentation for FX, Collider got the opportunity to sit down with Edgar Ramirez for this 1-on-1 interview about the appeal of playing Gianni Versace, why he needed some convincing that he was right for the role, the relationship between Gianni and Donatella (Penelope Cruz), the homophobia that clouded the manhunt, whether he spoke to anyone in the Versace family, working with this incredible cast, and why he’d collaborate with Ryan Murphy again.

Collider: Really fantastic work in this!

EDGAR RAMIREZ: Thank you very much!

What was the appeal of signing on for something like this?

RAMIREZ: Gianni was a disrupter. I have a very strong attraction to characters that somehow consciously or unconsciously change history, and that was the case with Gianni. He changed the time that he lived in and had a huge impact on culture. The culture of fame and celebrity and the obsession with bling and fashion was something that he basically created. We’re living in a time that was partially forged by Gianni. That was very appealing to me.

Gianni Versace also seemed very aware of just how much he was changing things, as he was doing it.

RAMIREZ: Yeah. He didn’t have any choice because he was an outsider and he always lived as an outsider. He had no other choice but to change things because he was always looking in from the outside and he had to force his way in. That was something that had marked him, since he was a kid. He was always ready to fight and to change things because nothing was gonna be given to him or handed to him, and that’s something he had experienced since he was a kid.

It’s interesting that Donatella did seem to initially be as driven as Gianni, and he had to push her out there a little bit.

RAMIREZ: They were a dynamic duo. Donatella was Gianni’s soundboard. And then, later on, she became the force that she is today. At the time, she was his little sister, but she was very important to him.

Did you get to talk to Donatella Versace, at all, or do you know what she thought of you taking on this role?

RAMIREZ: No. I wanted to be as respectful as possible with her and with the family, in general. This is a family that went through a horrible tragedy. I speak on behalf of all of us, that we wanted to be as respectful and compassionate as possible, so we took on this project with the utmost respect for the family and for their loss. Deep inside, I think that one of our greatest hopes is to get some facts right for people. Even today, people who you would think would be informed aren’t informed. People have a lot of facts wrong, based on the prejudice and all of the stigma that surrounded this case. With Gianni, there was victim blaming, at the time. There are still people today that suggest that he had it coming because he invited his killer into his house, and it wasn’t that way. That speaks about a greater subject that I actually think is the theme of the whole series, which is homophobia. Gianni was basically killed because of homophobia. Something that comes back, over and over, when you look into this investigation is the don’t ask, don’t tell element. This is an investigation that was dusted over because all of the victims were gay men. A guy who was on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted list, and who was on national television every night for months and months, was never caught. At the time, which was only 20 years ago, he didn’t represent a public threat because he was only killing gay guys. Even the title of the series, The Assassination, has a political overtone, which is very important because he was targeted. For me, it was very interesting to be a part of that. One of Ryan Murphy’s biggest and most precious talents is the fact that he’s always sensitive enough and sharp enough to find and identify stories that are dramatically gripping, and at the same time, they speak about greater subjects that are going on in society.

What was it like to work with this incredible cast, including Penelope Cruz, Ricky Martin and Darren Criss?

RAMIREZ: Everyone was very committed and very respectful. We just wanted to do the story in the most respectful way possible because we all feel a lot of admiration for what Versace did and for what the family overcame, after his assassination. We had a sense of clarity and a sense of compassion that really played into the story. It’s a love story and a family story.

Even though this is, at times, dark material, you must have had so much fun making it.

RAMIREZ: Yes, very much!

Ryan Murphy seems like someone who, once he gets his hooks in you, you never get out of his ensemble of actors. Are you game to work with him again, in one of his wild worlds?

RAMIREZ: Absolutely! Anytime! It’s great, what he’s been able to accomplish. He’s basically created a studio where people are empowered to come up with ideas and let their obsessions be free. Ryan is very faithful to his obsessions. He’s alluring and seductive enough to make you participate with his obsessions, and that is an amazing talent. I’ve worked with amazing people in this series, not only with my cast, who’s a dream cast, but everyone on the crew. Honestly, I’m not just trying to be nice. I’m just excited about it. Everyone, from the props people to the production designers to my make-up and hair people, is so in command of what they’re doing. That is a beautiful culture to work in. It’s not a fear-based culture.

He also seems to see things in his actors that they don’t even necessarily think or know that they can do.

RAMIREZ: He was the one who convinced me to become Versace. I didn’t see it, myself. It took a bit of convincing for me to decide to gamble on this. He was the one who saw it. I didn’t see it. I never imagined that I would be invited to play Versace. It’s something that didn’t cross my mind, and now I’m so happy.

When did you finally feel that you’d gotten why you should be playing Gianni Versace?

RAMIREZ: There were two moments. There was one when we were doing a photo shoot for the series, before we started, and I suddenly felt the physicality. Gianni was a strong guy, but he didn’t come off strong. His shoulders were a little bit forward. Those things are very delicate. I was always cautious and I wanted to be as respectful to his persona as possible. So, during that photo shoot, I played some music that Gianni liked and we were taking pictures with the models, and then I felt like something was coming alive. I felt like maybe his physicality wasn’t that far off. I was channeling him somehow. And then, there was a beautiful scene with Penelope [Cruz], where I felt that his heart was there. It was a process, but in that photo shoot, I felt that he was coming to life. It was a creative moment. We were taking pictures for real, and I felt like maybe that’s how Gianni felt when he was doing publicity pictures for his company. It was that moment where I felt like, “Okay, I think this is gonna be fun. I think this is clicking.” It was very fashionable.

Edgar Ramirez on ‘The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story’

Edgar Ramírez on Becoming Gianni Versace, from Prosthetics to Pasta

The emperor has no clothes. Or at least that’s how we first encounter Gianni Versace in the opening minutes of The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story: bare-chested in bed, gazing up at the finely painted clouds on the ceiling. With the camera trailing a polite butler’s distance behind, we follow the fashion legend as he strides through his palatial Miami Beach home, donning slippers and a salmon-pink robe, until he emerges onto an oceanfront balcony. The regal stance seems to beg a proclamation—only for Versace, his clothes do the talking.

When episode one debuted a week ago—luring in 5.5 million viewers thirsty for fashion-world mythology, 1990s nostalgia, or prestige true crime—one revelation was that the story line had far more to do with serial killer Andrew Cunanan than the man on the marquee. The other revelation was that the Versace clan (highlighted again in tonight’s installment) shimmered, with Penelope Cruz playing the chiseled, platinum-blonde Donatella—sister, muse, empress—and Edgar Ramírez in a chameleonic turn as the designer, who fused Roman myth with Renaissance opulence to model a new kind of Sun King.

“It was part of his cultural heritage: He wanted to be ruler of the realm,” says Ramírez, referring to the Versace solar system, “with all these people orbiting around him.” Establishing that dynamic from the first scene—as the designer floats through Casa Casuarina, projecting an easy, unassailable confidence—called for a different sort of transformation for the Venezuela-born actor, whose recent roles had him dive into boxing (Hands of Stone) and extreme rock climbing and surfing (Point Break). “I tend to be very physical in the exploration of my characters,” he says, “as far as my health permits and the time permits.”

In this case, the challenge was to fill out Versace’s “typical Southern Italian, robust body,” says Ramírez. The first casualty was the actor’s catchall training regimen, which includes regular sparring sessions, Pilates, and CrossFit. “Boxing basically sculpts your arms and your shoulders in a very natural way, so I needed to let the muscle mass go to convey the body that Gianni had"—strong, yes, but not chiseled. Next came the Versace diet. "I had to put on some weight to fit his measurements. That was the fun part,” Ramírez jokes of the steady helpings of pasta and polenta, along with arepas—the Venezuelan stuffed pastries he tracked down while filming in Miami. “The hard part is to lose it,” he admits, “so I’m still in the process.”

The second task: trading his thick mahogany hair for the older designer’s sparse gray. “It is a bald cap, and then I had four amazing wigs, depending on the time period that we were shooting,” Ramírez explains, adding that a prosthetic helped reshape his forehead and hairline (and making him feel “like a conehead,” he laughs). As important as that visual doubling was, it was just the beginning. “Impersonation is flat; it’s not alive,” he says. “In the end, [the goal] is to capture what his essence might have been.”

Working alongside Cruz, in a revolving lineup of sleek, barely breathable ensembles, offered as much a boost in character-building. “The bond between Donatella and Gianni came rather easily for Penelope and I,” Ramírez says of their close sibling relationships and Catholic upbringings. “And we’re Latin, so it’s pretty much the same cultural reservoir,” he adds, referring to an emotional brio that comes to the fore in tonight’s second episode, as Versace and his sister argue about whether their label should reflect market desires or his singular lust for life. “All this kind of heroine-chic look—he wasn’t into that. He wanted people to feel healthy and alive and vital,” Ramírez says, “because that’s how he was.”

Where would that exuberance fit into the world today, with feminine norms shifting and commerce reframing the fashion conversation? “For better or for worse, we live in a culture that was partially shaped by Gianni Versace: the exacerbation of fame, glamour, the whole bling culture,” says Ramírez. Prescient, too, was the way the designer injected unbridled sensuality into his work, from the red-carpet shutdowns to the supermodels still ruling the Versace runways. “He had a fascination for beauty in everything,” the actor adds. “It was about the women feeling gorgeous—he wanted the dresses to be a tool to be empowered.” With sartorial messaging on the awards circuit this year, that impulse lives on.

Edgar Ramírez on Becoming Gianni Versace, from Prosthetics to Pasta

Inside Max Greenfield’s Dramatic American Crime Story Turn

Max Greenfield made his The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story debut in a blink and you’ll miss it scene in the premiere, but come episode two, airing Wednesday, Jan. 24 on FX, viewers will learn a lot more about Greenfield’s character Ronnie.

Ronnie, a real person featured in Maureen Orth’s book Vulgar Favors, the show’s source material, is an HIV-positive man Andrew Cunanan (Darren Criss) meets in Miami after he has already killed four people. Ronnie’s a very different character than viewers are used to seeing the Emmy-nominated New Girl star in, from type of person right down to looks.

Greenfield said he’s on board with the dramatic transformations.

“I quite love it. What’s wonderful about working with [Ryan Murphy] is all of his department heads are incredible. You have wardrobe, hair and makeup and it sort of seems like we all work together under Ryan’s direction and by the time we end up on set, the acting part is the only thing left to do, and so much easier because we’ve created this external character in such a specific way. You’re like, ‘Oh, I know this guy,’” Greenfield said with a laugh. “It feels very collaborative that way, and to me it’s my favorite way to work.”

What kind of research did you do to get into character for Ronnie?
One of the wonderful things about Ryan is he’ll talk to you about a character and he speaks about characters in such depth, that when you go to do your own sort of work on it you have so much important information to go on, and you know sort of exactly where you then want to go. I think for Ronnie, my focus was the time period, which was 1997. It was a year or two years out from when they had figured out what the correct medication was for patients with HIV, and it left this group of people who were now living with HIV, where they had once thought—and accepted—that they were going to die. And having that feeling be so fresh for so many of these people who are now living with this disease—trying to listen to the people who experienced that was really what I tried to focus on.

Had you read Maureen Orth’s book or did you after you got the part?
I read it later.

I assume that could cloud any kind of character stuff you were doing.
Yeah, I mean I knew I was playing a real person. I knew that physically we don’t really resemble one another, I just thought that what I had read on the page in terms of the scripts, was so—what I felt like was meaningful, was all really there. And I wanted Ronnie’s story to really add to the overall themes of the show, rather than try to focus on playing a real person.

Did this role require you to go to dark places? You were saying this was a time before there was this treatment. Did playing Ronnie affect you in anyway?
I mean, it certainly was a learning experience. [Pauses.] Yeah, there was such a sadness to this guy. You listen to people who still to this day are living with HIV, who had it at the time, and 20 years later some of them still talk about this idea that it’s still hard for them when they wake up to think that they’re not dying, that they might have another day. They lost so, so many people, and why are they still here? You know what I mean? It was a gut-wrenching, overwhelming time.

Had you followed Andrew’s case in real life when it was happening? Do you remember the story?
No, I was 17 when it happened. I was a senior in high school, I didn’t live in Miami. I remember hearing about it, and had no clue that there were multiple murders, that there was a whole backstory to it, but yeah, I didn’t know anything more than the headlines.

What do you make about the Versace family going back and forth with FX and Random House about the authenticity of the show?
I have not followed it. You know, look, it’s a really sensitive subject. It’s an odd thing. I found that doing press for this show has been very different from most of the press I’ve ever done for anything because there are real victims of this story, and the way that Ryan has chosen to show it—there aren’t a lot of fun elements to this. This is a very harsh look for many different perspectives on homophobia and issues that make a lot of people really uncomfortable. I think the hope is that you can watch it, it’s in your face, it is, I think, extraordinarily thought-provoking and I think—I hope—that it brings up a discussion that makes some these issues less uncomfortable for people and opens up a dialogue. But it is hard to talk about it…You get asked, like, ‘Did you wish that you had any scenes with Penélope Cruz?’ And you’re like, ‘No!’ I’m doing my job,’ and I was just, like, trying to honor this story and honor the way Ryan wanted to tell it.

Inside Max Greenfield’s Dramatic American Crime Story Turn

Darren Criss: ‘All Great Stories Are Great Stories Regardless of Color, Age, Gender, Sexuality’

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We first noticed Darren Criss, 30, as Blaine, the super loveable Warblers lead singer on Ryan Murphy’s Glee. Now, he’s playing Andrew Cunanan, the serial killer at the epicenter of Murphy’s latest hit The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story. While the roles feel like complete opposites, they do share one thing in common: Darren’s emphatic commitment to. We’ll let him explain…

What’s it like to go from playing the lead singer of a glee club to playing a murderer?

DARREN CRISS: I treat all characters, no matter how conventionally dark or light, with the same emotional currency. For the most part, actions that we consider abhorrent come from very real, relatable impulses like fear, hurt, embarrassment, ambition, or a broken heart. It’s my job in this case to humanize Andrew as much as possible. The pain that this man caused is so heartbreaking, but it’s my duty as an actor to try and paint the story with as much empathy as possible.

Speaking of empathy, you’re an activist for LGBTQ rights…

DC: All great stories are great stories regardless of color, age, gender, sexuality. I’ve been lucky enough to have been given really great roles within the LGBTQ community and to be a vessel for those people. I consider that one of the greatest privileges of my career thus far.

Did you feel any specific responsibility when you took the role of Andrew?

DC: The biggest burden that really stuck with me the entire time was I thought about Andrew’s family and friends, especially the people whose lives were directly affected by this. It’s been 20 years, and I couldn’t help but think of the children…There’s a son of one of the victims that is probably around my age. I think about those people and their families and how this is something they’ve been trying to put to rest, and while I’m part of perpetuating the narrative, I hope that somehow we can gain a better understanding of how this happened and in some way help these people [extricate] themselves from a really tragic series of events.

What else do you hope viewers take away?

DC: The show does a really great job of juxtaposing a lot of these lives against each other, particularly Gianni and Andrew. When I think about [Versace’s family], I see them somewhere in Italy scoffing at the idea that I could possibly compare these two men, but the truth is brilliance takes all forms. You had two very brilliant men that channeled that creativity in very different ways; one was the ultimate creator, and one was the ultimate destroyer.

Following the massive success of the first season, People v. O. J. Simpson: American Crime Story, does it feel like you and the cast have big shoes to fill?

DC: I joke that I can only join second seasons of successful first season Ryan Murphy shows! This is truly a once in a lifetime opportunity that I felt so extremely lucky to be a part of every day. The fact that there is this peripheral buzz and attention on it is certainly a nice bonus and another bonus: social relevance. It checks all the boxes off any artist’s wish list. I honestly have been so happy that I could puke. So where do I go from here? I’m kind of screwed!

Hardly. You seem like a big overachiever—a classically trained violinist, you taught yourself to play five other instruments, co-founded your own musical theater company, and you write and record your own music in addition to your acting. What makes you so driven?

DC: I am painfully ambitious, It comes down to wanting to tell a story, which comes down to wanting to connect with people. My bleeding idealist heart just wants to give people a reason to connect, give strangers a reason to think about themselves in the context of other people’s lives and try and experience new feelings, new thoughts that they haven’t before. I really enjoy that, and the fact that I’ve been able to make a living out of it is really fun. So hell yeah, I overachieve to try and accomplish that as much as humanly possible!

You turned 30 last year, which can be a benchmark for a lot of women and men. Was that the case for you?

DC: The most clichéd inspirational posts like, “Live every day the fullest way,” I think I’ve always tried to do that. Time has a knack for going pretty quickly when you apply yourself like that. I didn’t have any bucket lists. I don’t have any pangs like I can’t believe my 20s are over or I can’t believe Glee is over because while they were happening, I’d like to think I was living it up and kicking ass. By the time I got to 30, I was like, “Alright, cool. Let’s keep going.”

Darren Criss: ‘All Great Stories Are Great Stories Regardless of Color, Age, Gender, Sexuality’

Max Greenfield Talks Shocking Versace Transformation, Shares the Real Perk of Working With Ryan Murphy

Although last week’s The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story premiere offered only a fleeting glimpse of Max Greenfield‘s recurring junkie Ronnie, we saw enough of him to know that the New Girl vet went all in for his role as Andrew Cunanan’s (Darren Criss) wiry, HIV-positive Miami pal. The Emmy-nominated actor’s airtime increases tenfold in tonight’s second episode (10/9c, FX), which finds Cunanan bonding with Ronnie on the eve of Versace’s murder.

Below, Greenfield discusses how he prepared for the physically transformative role, reveals the real perk of being a member of the Ryan Murphy Repertory Company, and explains why the end of New Girl hit him like a ton of bricks.

TVLINE | How much weight did you lose?
Of course that’s your first question. [Laughs] Honestly, I wasn’t actively trying to lose weight.

TVLINE | Oh, come on…
I really wasn’t! I happened to be pretty lean already when Ryan offered the role to me. Also, I didn’t have a tremendous amount of time to physically prep. But I wasn’t like, “You know what I’m going to do to prepare for this one? Eat a lot of pizza!”

TVLINE | So what did you do. Because you did something. You’re emaciated. I saw bones protruding through your skin.
I suppose I tried to [lose] a little bit [of weight]. But it wasn’t a focus of mine. I knew he’d have a mustache. I had a beard at the time, so I created this sort of cockeyed mustache, because everything about this guy is a little bit sad. Even his mustache is a little bit sad. The real focus for me was [emotional]. It was more about the period of time that this represented. It was 1997, a year-and-a-half out from when they figured out the correct medication for patients with HIV. Ronnie was one of these people who had accepted his own death [from AIDS]. And then all of a sudden they found this medication… It was such a fresh time for those people. To know that you were going to die at any moment, and then to suddenly have to wrap your head around the idea that that’s now not going to happen. I can only imagine what an overwhelmingly confusing feeling that must’ve been for so many people.

TVLINE | Is the real Ronnie still alive?
I don’t know. I know he’s a real person. But what was on the page was so important to me that I really wanted to do my best to honor Ryan’s vision in the story as opposed to trying to play a real person.

TVLINE | What do you think Ronnie makes of Andrew?
Andrew shows him friendship and is nice to him. And I don’t think anyone has done that to Ronnie in a very long time. And he’s willing to look past a lot of warning signs before he finally realizes, “I think there’s something really off here.”

TVLINE | This is the second time Ryan Murphy has cast you as a drug addict. What do you make of that?
[Laughs] That is the beauty of Ryan, and why I love him so much. He can look at an actor and see them in ways they can’t even see themselves. And he pushes them to really go there. I can’t think of more rewarding experiences that I’ve had than working with him both times. If you’re not coming [to one of his productions] with all that you have, I don’t know why you bother showing up at all. Having worked with Sarah Paulson on American Horror Story: Hotel and seeing the lengths she goes to when shooting a scene, you go, “Oh, so that’s what this is going to be like.” [Laughs]

TVLINE | I’m guessing things like craft services are next-level on his shows. Is it hard to then to move on to another production and be greeted by, say, a bowl of Cheerios and a week-old box of Entenmann’s?
[Laughs] Can you imagine an all-Entenmann’s craft service? That’s what heaven looks like. When you get to heaven, God points you to the all-Entenmann’s craft service and says, “You can eat all you want and you don’t gain any weight.” The real perk of working for Ryan is this: His crew — from hair to makeup to wardrobe to the camera department, props, sound, across the board — is so good. One of the reasons the performances on his shows are so [strong] is because these people make us look very, very talented.

TVLINE | You wrapped New Girl a few weeks ago. Were you more or less emotional during the final days of shooting than you anticipated?
I was way more emotional. I underestimated the impact of leaving that show and the character. There was a real mourning period afterwards.

TVLINE | Were you satisfied by the ending?
Yes. I think what the writers did was a lot of fun. It was like a musician at a concert going, “You know what? Tonight we’re just going to play the hits.” That’s what these last eight episodes felt like.

TVLINE | What do you see as your next career act?
I wish I knew. [Laughs] I want to find a really good piece of material and hope that the people who’ve written it want me to be in it. And if Ryan, [comes calling] I’ll do whatever he wants me to do.

Max Greenfield Talks Shocking Versace Transformation, Shares the Real Perk of Working With Ryan Murphy

AMERICAN CRIME STORY: Writer Tom Rob Smith on THE ASSASSINATION OF GIANNI VERSACE – Exclusive Interview

FX’s Wednesday-night second installment of the anthology drama series, THE ASSASSINATION OF GIANNI VERSACE, deals not only with the well-known event of the title, but of the murder spree that led up to it. Andrew Cunanan, played in the miniseries by Darren Criss, killed at least four other men – Jeffrey Trail, David Madson, Lee Miglin and William Reese – before attacking Versace, who is portrayed by Edgar Ramirez. Based in part on Maureen Orth’s nonfiction book VULGAR FAVORS, argues that law enforcement was slow to track Cunanan due to the homophobia of the times.

AMERICAN CRIME STORY comes from executive producers Ryan Murphy (who also directed a number of episodes), Brad Falchuk, Alexis Martin Woodall, Nina Jacobson and Brad Simpson. Rather than have a writers’ room for THE ASSASSINATION OF GIANNI VERSACE, the executive producers opted to have a single writer for all ten episodes, Tom Rob Smith.

Smith, an Englishman who is also an executive producer on this season of AMERICAN CRIME STORY, created and wrote LONDON SPY and CHILD 44. He talks about his research for the project, and what struck him most in what he found.

ASSIGNMENT X: When the producers came to you, did they say, “We’d like you to write all ten episodes?”

TOM ROB SMITH: No. It just evolved from the fact that we were in a room, and it was Brad, Ryan, Nina and myself, and the book just needed a very particular approach. It wasn’t that we sat down and said we were going to tell the story backwards [as the series does, to an extent]. We didn’t have that concept. It was, we were trying to figure out how to do it organically. The thing with a [writers’] room is, if you have a big room, you have to make those decisions and then send everyone off to write their episodes. And we would move forward a fragment, and then decide to change direction. You’re much more nimble if you’re on your own. I think it just happened like that.

AX: How was it decided that this season of AMERICAN CRIME STORY would be ten episodes, as opposed to twelve or eight or whatever?

SMITH: That was again all decided by the story. We look at them and think, “What is the right number?” They’re like books in a weird way. You’re like, “What are the parts that we have?” No one says, “We want ten episodes,” or “We want twelve episodes.” They say, “What is your story?” And you look at it, and think, “This is how much we have. These are the great episodes.” The quality control on this is so high, they would never stretch it to fill a quota. It was always about, each episode has to feel really satisfying in its own right, almost like a story in its own right. So that’s where it comes from.

AX: How aware were you of the murders at the time they occurred in 1997?

SMITH: I was very aware of the Miami murder, but I knew nothing about the build-up. And I think that’s one of the things, that we take that thing that everyone knows, which is the perception of Miami, and we’re unpacking it, so we’re literally pulling those pieces apart. And that to me was a discovery, too. I went on a journey in a sense that viewers kind of go on, which is, I knew the thing on Miami, and now let’s see what was behind it all.

AX: Cunanan’s murder spree stretched across the U.S. What kind of research did you do in the different cities and states?

SMITH: The Minneapolis murders, we got all the police files. One of the big gaps was that, [author Orth] must have read the police files, but obviously, you’re getting her fragments. It’s always interesting to get your own, and the Minneapolis police files, they released them without any problem. I think they were like four hundred pages. I think we got a thousand pages on the FBI, I think we had four hundred from the Chicago [police]. So you have these volumes of information. We’ve got a great researcher on the project. We got all of that. In San Diego, these weren’t released by the San Diego police force, we had to the court records. So we got everything that was possible to get. Minneapolis is where the murders start, and they’re a key part of our story. When we say AMERICAN CRIME STORY, this is an American crime story in a geographic sense. We have L.A., we have San Francisco, we have San Diego, we have Minneapolis, we have Chicago, we have New York, we have New Jersey – all of these towns were part of this enormous story.

AX: How is it for you setting a story in the U.S.? You’re British and your other projects have been set in England and Europe. Was there anything you sort of had to absorb about Americans?

SMITH: I don’t know. I just think, we were telling an American crime story for sure, but I think one of the reasons [the first season of AMERICAN CRIME STORY, THE PEOPLE V. O.J. SIMPSON] was so successful is, it spoke to everyone around the world. You go for those universal truths. I do think, pushing all of the universal truths to the side, the minutiae is very important, like going to San Diego and going to Andrew Cunanan’s house, seeing where he grew up. Sometimes those things can be overstated, because they didn’t give you an episode, for example. You don’t get an episode from it. But Andrew Cunanan was very sensitive to class and status. And I was like, well, I get that as an idea. And I went to his house, which was in La Bonita, and it’s a nice house. His parents did well to pull him up out of relative poverty in National City. But even on the street he’s on, which has a slight incline, he was on the bottom of that street, and it went on to kind of a wasteland. And as the houses went up the hill, they got steadily more expensive. And I was like, “Even in this one street, there’s this microcosm of the haves and the have-nots.” He went to La Bonita High briefly, and I went there, and it’s a regular high school, and then he was sent to Bishop’s in La Jolla, and I was like, “This is a world apart.” You turn up and it’s this beautiful courtyard with these whitewashed walls. He was taken from this household that was modest, and given everything. And just when you go into the detail and you see it for real, those things really start to speak to you about the character.

AX: Obviously, there’s a lot of visual oomph in Gianni Versace’s world. Was it easier or harder for you to write with knowing that, “Okay, people are going to be taking in the surroundings,” so you need to give them a moment to look at that before you start the drama?

SMITH: Oh, no. I see it all as one. I see the locations and the clothes, all that detail is storytelling. That opening is the contrasting of these two worlds, this world that someone had created that was down to the ashtray, down to the silk robe, down to the slippers. [Versace] built all of that. He built his own homeware, and so that sense of, look at what he’s created, [and then at Cunanan, who is] someone who was literally down to nothing on a beach, who had this terrible abscess on his leg, he had physically broken apart, and who was in shorts he’d probably been wearing for weeks and weeks, and was in this sweaty t-shirt, and this sense of, look at the contrast between these two men. So I always saw the visuals as being a real storytelling engine and not some kind of secondary thing.

The Versace home is – it’s weird going there, because now it’s a hotel, and I felt this energy of, he’s missing from this space. You really feel it. You feel like, this isn’t just a nice house, this was his. This needs him on some level. I could really feel an absence.

AX: What is it like writing someone like Versace who, in a sense, creates his own world?

SMITH: What I found so inspirational about him, and one of the things was, he’d turn up to Milan, this guy from the south of Italy who was looked down on by the [design establishment], and now he’s such a grand figure that we forget that he was this person who was told “no” by everyone. And even different fabrics – he would refuse to accept “no,” he would say, “I’m going to [use] this fabric.” And I found that refusal to accept the constraints and confines that were presented to him very inspirational. That was a key part. I found that he inspired me as I wrote, if that makes sense. I was like, “This man is amazing.”

AX: Do you have any other projects we should know about?

SMITH: I’m doing a show for BBC2, MOTHER, FATHER, SON.

AX: And what would you most like people to know about THE ASSASSINATION OF GIANNI VERSACE: AMERICAN CRIME STORY?

SMITH: I’m fascinated by crime stories, because I think they’re about society. I feel like they soak up something about society, tell a bigger story. And this really does. It tells a story about America at that time and about identities, aspirations, it’s emotional. But I also think this was the largest failed FBI manhunt of all time in Miami. This has enormous scale. And how this kid in La Bonita ends up causing the pandemonium to tip over Miami to me is a very interesting story to tell.

This interview was conducted during FX’s portion of the Television Critics Association (TCA) press tour.

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The Assassination of Gianni Versace is the Apotheosis of Ryan Murphy

When the news surfaced that American Crime Story’s debut season would tackle the O.J. Simpson trial, adapting Jeffrey Toobin’s book The Run of His Life, Ryan Murphy hardly seemed to be the ideal shepherd, given his long standing penchant for sensationalism, debauchery, and razor’s edge manipulation of stereotypes, for the most polarizing criminal trial in living American history.

Against all odds and conventional wisdom, the season was a spectacular success that the set the stage for the re-litigation of every media sensation of the 1990s from the Menedez Brothers and the rivalry between Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan to the subject of the long awaited second season: the murder of Gianni Versace. Key to The People Vs OJ’s success was the diminishment of Murphy’s sensibilities in favor of black voices, like director Anthony Hemmingway, and most notably in “The Race Card” episode helmed by John Singleton and scripted by Black Panther screenwriter Joe Robert Cole. The episode contributed more than any other towards a recontextualization of the trial and the racial dynamics of post Rodney King Los Angeles for the generation grappling with the emergence of the Black Lives Matter movement.

The debut of The Assassination of Gianni Versace is, in essence, a complete inversion of what made The People Vs OJ a success. From the shifting focus from suspect to victim to swapping LA for Miami, and a central figure who evaded identification with the marginalized group he was a part of to a central figure within it, the discontinuity is striking. What amplifies that effect and makes The Assassination of Gianni Versace a truly distinct entity from The People Vs OJ is that instead of holding his natural inclinations back, Murphy has found the ideal canvas for his masterpiece.

Instead of employing stylistic tics or callbacks to create a sense of continuity or familiarity between the two seasons, Murphy enacts a hard break by employing Francis Ford Coppola and Brian De Palma as the foundational influences that Murphy subverts and ultimately queers. The story of Gianni Versace, as seen through the eyes of Murphy and his collaborators is as much a meditation on the myth of the American dream as The Godfather and Scarface, both of which they leverage in constructing the fashion mogul’s world.

The first episode opens with Versace waking up, ensconced by a rococo inspired decor, clothed in a bright pink robe, and accompanied by a swelling, operatic score. The camera lingers over the architecture that shifts to a procession of more typically Italian styles reaching back to the neo classical. Versace is constructed in all the same grandeur using all the same devices as Coppola used to lift the Corleones into mythic status, but the preponderance of crane shots and the ostentatiousness of it all are where De Palma emerges in the episode’s visual grammar.

The Assassination of Gianni Versace is explicitly an Italian-American immigrant story evoked through the iconography of his home country that Versace wove into his home and business, but it’s also the end of a rapid ascent into the dizzying heights of the American dream whose cartoonishness frequently equals Scarface‘s Tony Montana, the peak of 1980s hyper consumption as a film aesthetic. Instead of Montana’s infamous neon lit globe, Versace’s ego expresses itself as his famous Medusa headed logo, working it and its border into every aspect of his life, from the elastic band on his briefs and his slippers to the tiled floors and wrought iron gates of his home.

Before he died, Versace harnessed America to reinvent himself as a modern figure equal to a Medici, but despite the lavishness of his interior life, he’s depicted as a provincial, nearly anonymous lord in public, shedding the robe and slippers for nondescript sunglasses, a black top whose embossed logo is barely visible, and shorts. It’s a construction of Versace himself as a microcosm, but it also goes on to define the public/private bifurcation of queer life that held sway over the 1990s.

Darren Criss, as Versace’s murderer Andrew Cunanan, embodies the most dangerous of all possible outcomes of the twilight existence of queerness in the 1990s, an iteration of the charismatic con man that has been a staple of gay narratives from Patricia Highsmith’s The Talented Mr. Ripley to Steven Jay Russell, the subject of the Jim Carrey vehicle I Love You, Phillip Morris. Criss as Cunanan is an embodiment in line with the former, taking on the role of a chameleon who “tells people what they want to hear,” or as a frustrated lover claims, tells gay people he’s gay and straight people he’s straight, leaving the impression of being a complete artifice.

Cunanan’s disturbing fixation on Versace leading up to the murder, told in successive flashbacks, is where the other element of the De Palma influence comes into play as Murphy weaves their tightening orbit into his own queering of the quintessential De Palma erotic thriller typified by Body Double, Dressed to Kill, Raising Caine, Femme Fatale, and Passion. It’s a queering that Murphy has honed more or less in parallel to Hannibal showrunner Bryan Fuller.

Criss, despite being part of a star-studded cast whose crown jewels are Edgar Ramirez as Versace and Penelope Cruz as his sister and ostensible heir Donatella, unquestionably delivers the breakout performance, more or less playing a different character in every scene. It’s a remarkable evolution for an actor best known for a banal stint on Glee, fleshing out a musical supervillain pioneered by Neil Patrick Harris, and copyright infringing musicals executed with his college classmates. What elevates Criss’ performance isn’t that he leans into every fraudulent identity that Cunanan adopts, its how he tackles the ebb and flow of Cunanan’s manic swings, throwing himself bodily into it.

A series based on a murder spree that included the very public shooting of a major public figure is in some respects an odd, if not outright questionable choice to frame as an erotic thriller in the context of the Pulse shooting in Orlando and the slowly closing fist of the Trump administration, seconded by the man responsible for triggering an AIDS epidemic in Indiana, but such is the uncharacteristic nuance of Murphy and the rapidly evolving conception of queer pain and death in American film and television.

Despite the raging debate around the “bury your gays” trope, queer film has been focused on harnessing and reclaiming and recontextualizing the ravages of the AIDS crisis through And the Band Played On, The Normal Heart, and BPM in tandem with coming of age dramas like Pariah, Moonlight, and Call Me By Your Name. In a sense, The Assassination of Gianni Versace shares tragedy and death as a common marker with contemporary AIDS crisis chronicles, but Murphy and company break away from that emerging movement by framing Versace as a martyr and presenting the show as much as an opportunity to celebrate his impact on fashion and queer aesthetics as it is a mourning of his passing.

In probably the most productive execution of his love of camp and melodrama ever seen, Murphy builds a conception of Versace as a martyred saint of the gay world by mining the Catholicism inherent in Versace’s nationality. The most striking and seemingly absurd example, the simultaneous death of a dove from a bullet fragment, is true except for its whiteness. A mourning pigeon was, in reality, killed along with Versace, but the show exploits the potential symbolism of a snow white dove, laid out parallel to Versace in the morgue, drawing an inescapable symbolic link with the Holy Spirit, frequently depicted as a dove in catholic art and literature. Another key instance is a complete fabrication, Versace’s partner Antonio D’Amico, played by Ricky Martin, holding his limp body in his arms in imitation of the Pieta.

Fighting neck and neck with the dead dove for the most daringly absurd allegory in the episode is a woman who Gianni had previously, politely, turned down for an autograph tearing a Versace ad out of an issue of Vogue and racing under the police tape to sop up some of his blood off the steps before racing back to her husband, expectantly holding open a ziplock bag for it. It’s a heady intersection of the borderline heretical cult of saints in Catholocism and the secular, yet sometimes equally ecstatic cult of celebrity that was truly exploding at the time. The sequence seals Murphy’s case for Versace as a martyred saint, but it may also be the purest distillation of what informs Murphy as a writer and a director, encompassing his fixations on celebrity, ostentatious wealth, the gothic, and religious transgression in a few perfectly structured seconds.

These motifs are the strongest forms of the discontinuity between seasons, establishing the more fanciful, idealized tone relative to The People Vs OJ, but also clearly defining the series as a celebration of Versace as a larger than life figure, rather than a maudlin fixation on the irrationality of his death, placing it adjacent to Dome Karukoski’s Tom of Finland.

The debut episode lays out a rich tapestry with many threads to pull on as the season continues, most notably Penelope Cruz’s arresting, irony free portrayal of Donatella, circling the narrative back around to Coppola’s looming shadow and thoughts of how power, prestige, and family intertwine in the Italian imagination. “Now is not the time for strangers,” she opines at a family meeting addressing the ultimately aborted transformation into a public company, “now is the time for family.” The scene ends with a slow pan out from her fingers wrapped tightly around a wrought iron railing topped with her brother’s dominant motif into the tiled courtyard, signaling that she is just as much a power fantasy as her brother was.

Cruz as Donatella Versace does more than leave a window open for feminine fantasy in the fantastical, fundamentally queer world of the show, however. She serves as a startling and explicit embodiment of the family’s impact, arriving in an outfit that makes plain just how formative of an influence Donatella was on Lady Gaga’s overall look and dominant silhouette long before the two met and collaborated. That metafictional dynamic also comes into sharp and incredibly poignant relief with the inclusion of Ricky Martin as D’Amico, who takes on the role as a publicly out and embraced gay man in 2018, recreating events in the mid to late 1990s when his sexuality was a constant topic of tabloid speculation and cruel homophobic jeers.

What absolutely has to be understood, celebrated, and duplicated about The Assassination of Gianni Versace is that it’s a queer centric exploration of queer culture that is unambiguous and unapologetic in its embrace of itself. As much as the flowering of supporting characters like Riverdale’s Kevin Keller into powerful and consequential figures represent a kind of progress and an outlet that should continue to be pursued, we need to continue to push for narratives that privilege and center queer lives, communities, and modes of being.

The Assassination of Gianni Versace is an unprecedented opportunity to once and for all reject the notion of queer narratives as niche productions, narrow in scope and inconsequential in viewership. It offers the tantalizing chance at a vindication that queer lives and queer culture are as rich, idiosyncratic, and deserving of center stage as its tragic hero was.

The Assassination of Gianni Versace is the Apotheosis of Ryan Murphy

Why’d It Take Us This Long To Catch Onto Darren Criss?

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This month, FX premiered its long-awaited sequel to 2016’s cultural event, The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story. There was a lot riding on The Assassination of Gianni Versace. Season 1 of the Ryan Murphy anthology series didn’t just show up during awards season. It dominated awards shows while becoming a must-watch show. The Versace season of American Crime Story may not have the culturally-halting effect of the O.J. Simpson season of the show, but it does have something remarkable we need to discuss. Versace has finally given Darren Criss a place to shine.

If you’re a little late to one of the first must-see TV events of the year, Criss plays the serial killer Andrew Cunanan in what is arguably one of the most complicated roles Murphy and his team has ever created. Versace‘s version of Cunanan is very similar to Maureen Orth’s depiction of the murderer in nonfiction book Vulgar Favors. This portrayal paints Cunanan as a charming killer who cannot be trusted as long as his lips are moving. There’s a sensuality to the character, a characterization that aligns with his status as a male escort but also stands as an overt depiction of raw sexuality that LGBT characters are rarely allowed to display on TV. There’s a danger to every move he makes and every lie he tells, but underneath that danger is a sort of manic, self-hating energy, some nebulous thing that immediately signals to the reader or viewer that this character is not well. And on top of all of these things, in Versace the Cunanan character has to be able to carry the story while competing against stronger, more established characters like Gianni Versace and Donatella Versace. This means holding his own against great performances from Edgar Ramirez, Penélope Cruz, and Ricky Martinall without becoming too sympathetic. As history reminds us, Andrew Cunanan murdered five people before killing himself. Even in the middle of a miniseries where he is cast as a protagonist, Cunanan should never be hailed as a hero.

And yet after watching the first eight episodes of The Assassination of Gianni Versace, Criss has been able to balance all of these conflicting and complicated themes beautifully.

There are many roads that led to Criss being the perfect choice to portray Andrew Cunanan. The actor’s biggest break actually came from Ryan Murphy, a show creator who is now partially known for collecting his favorite actors and actresses. After Criss starred in an arc on the ABC show Eastwick, Murphy cast the musically-inclined actor as Glee‘s Blaine, a character who quickly become a major love interest for Kurt (Chris Colfer). After his five-year run on Glee, Criss went on to portray another influential LGBT character, the lead and titular character in Hedwig and the Angry Inch. Criss and Cunanan are both relatively the same age and look similarly. Cunanan killed himself when he was 27 years old, and Criss is currently 30. Both are even half Filipino. There are a shocking amount of similarities, especially when you consider Criss is now living a life Cunanan always craved.

But more than perhaps anything else, Criss is an actor who was almost destined to happen. Before being a YouTube star was an actual profession, Criss’ work made an impression on the platform. Through StarKid Productions, a musical theater company Criss co-founded along with some University of Michigan classmates, Criss’ name was attached to two of the biggest amateur musicals to grace YouTube — Me and My Dick and A Very Potter Musical. Part 1 of Me and My Dickcurrently has over 1.8 million views and scored a place on the Billboard 200 charts. A Very Potter Musical has over 14 million views and two sequels. That’s not all. Criss’ version of “Teenage Dream” for Glee earned a place on the Billboard Hot 100 for a period of time and is still regarded as one of the best songs from that song-filled show. That’s not even mentioning the fact that Criss’ run as J. Pierrepont Finch in the Broadway revival of How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying — a role he somewhat ironically took over from Daniel Radcliffe — made a shocking $4 million. Darren Criss was going to happen.

So what’s taken us so long? It seems to be a combination of lack of roles on creators’ part and lack of interest from Criss. The actor was on Gleeuntil 2015 and part of the traveling tour of Hedwiguntil later 2016. He’s been busy, and we as audineces have had a million other projects to pay attention to. However, now the actor has the time, the platform, the intricate role, and the guiding creator to become a household name.

It’s time for us all to embrace how incredibly talented (and incredibly creepy) Darren Criss is. If you’ve been a longtime Criss fan, congratulations. Your time has come. As for everyone else, welcome to the club.

Why’d It Take Us This Long To Catch Onto Darren Criss?

American Crime Story: What We Know About Gianni Versace’s Mysterious Illness

*Spoilers: Scene descriptions for episode 2 below

In the second episode of The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story, the fashion designer is shown in a Miami hospital in 1994, trying to hide his identity as he watches two sick men lie in bed next to each other in a room. He then speaks with a doctor, which is partially overlaid on a shot of blood being drawn, who tells Gianni that the drug therapies are complex and difficult. The show never comes right out and says what illness Gianni has been diagnosed with, and this is a major point of contention between the show’s version of events and what the Versace family claims is true.

The show seems to be implying that Versace was HIV positive, established by the shot of the two very gaunt men in their side-by-side hospital beds. But the family has always denied that was the case. Their explanation for Versace’s illness and recovery is always that he had cancer. In a 2006 interview with New York Magazine, younger sister Donatella said that Versace’s reclusiveness in the mid-1990s was because of ear cancer.

“He was sick with cancer in his ear before he was murdered. The last two years of his life, Gianni was hiding — hiding up in his apartment in Via Gesù — because his ear was so big,” said Donatella. “It was impossible to do a surgery because of the position, because to do a surgery, part of his face was supposed to drop… . But then it was declared cured six months before he was murdered. We celebrated; we drink Champagne and everything. Six months later, he was killed.”

However, in Maureen Orth’s book Vulgar Favors: Andrew Cunanan, Gianni Versace, and the Largest Failed Manhunt in U.S. History, on which the FX series is based, the author maintains that she was told on the record by a Miami Beach detective that Versace was HIV positive.

“I was told on the record by the lead detective on Miami Beach that he had heard from the medical examiner who did the blood work that he was [HIV positive],” Orth told The Hollywood Reporter. “And it also goes along with other people who told me that he was very weak at one time and he needed [partner] Antonio to help him walk, and they came over to his house when he was having breakfast and he had 27 bottles of pills in front of him. Now, does that mean they’re for HIV? But the blood thing from on record from the Miami Beach, that’s pretty [solid].”

But the Versace family said in a statement that Orth’s book is “a sensational story” full of “contradictions” and “hearsay.”

“In making her lurid claims, [Orth] ignores contrary information provided by members of Mr. Versace’s family, who … were in the best position to know the facts of his life… . Of all the possible portrayals of his life and legacy, it is sad and reprehensible that the producers have chosen to present the distorted and bogus version created by Maureen Orth,” the statement reads.

Either way, Tom Rob Smith, who wrote the scripts for The Assassination of Gianni Versace, says that the point isn’t what illness befell Versace; it’s that he recovered and was living life to the fullest when he was senselessly murdered.

“What I found most amazing about it is this is a guy that came so close to death and still clung on,” Smith told The Hollywood Reporter. “He really fought for life. Life was very important to him. Contrast it with someone who gave up and someone who was beaten by circumstance. And what’s interesting in some of the reactions was, ‘Oh, he’s the killer. He must have AIDS.’ Actually, Andrew [Cunanan] didn’t have it.”

American Crime Story: What We Know About Gianni Versace’s Mysterious Illness

Holy Schmidt! Max Greenfield Is Nearly Unrecognizable In ‘The Assassination Of Gianni Versace’

Never underestimate the power of a mustache. While they’re often used as a joke when it comes to disguises, some of them truly do get the job done. Especially the one Max Greenfield grew for his role as Ronnie in The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story.

In a blink-and-you’ll-miss-him moment, he appeared for a few brief seconds in the first episode of the series when the police busted into his hotel room on a search for Andrew Cunanan (Darren Criss). But the second episode gives us so much more of Ronnie, and if you don’t recognize him at first, you aren’t alone. You’d think that after six whole seasons of New Girl, we would all be able to spot the man we now affectionately know as Schmidt, but with his hair trimmed up top and grown in over his upper lip, this is a whole new man we’re dealing with.

Greenfield sinks into the character, in his walk and his posture, and his cutoff jean shorts and half-unbuttoned shirt (what would Schmidt think?!), as he puffs on cigarettes and reluctantly strikes up a friendship with Cunanan. It took me two whole scenes of dialogue before I realized who I was watching. He keeps Ronnie casual, ambivalent, and a little chatty at times but nice enough, throughout an episode that not only sets the scene of Miami in the ’90s, but establishes the structure of the storytelling and episodes to come.

Not that this is the first time Greenfield has stepped away from the clean-cut, nice guy roles we so often see him in to work with Ryan Murphy: he also made our eyes widen in 2015’s American Horror Story: Hotel, with a bit of an appearance transformation there as well. And while the hair and the mustache and the clothes all add to the compelling character he brings to the screen for Versace, not everyone is a big fan. As he explained to Ellen earlier this month, his daughter was “just furious” about the mustache. With New Girl‘s seventh and final season airing this spring, it will be interesting to see if Greenfield reteams with Murphy for future projects, and if so, his daughter, and audiences, should plan to brace themselves.

Holy Schmidt! Max Greenfield Is Nearly Unrecognizable In ‘The Assassination Of Gianni Versace’